键盘侠司机称077应入选全明星他和罗斯谁更应入选

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[Sefko] Luka Doncic is No. 2 in Western Conference front-court voting for All-Star Game, to which Dirk Nowitzki said: "It’s Luka-mania. It’s real.

He definitely deserves to be up there. I’m not sure in front of KD and all these guys. But he’s been tremendously efficient and consistent."

据NBA记者EddieSefko报道，卢卡-东契奇目前在全明星首轮投票中得票数高居西部前场球员第二。对此，德克-诺维茨基回应道：“这就是卢卡热度。这是真实的。他绝对配得上那个位置。我不确定他是否可以排在杜兰特和那些人之前，不过他这个赛季一直都非常的高效和稳定。”

Dirk had a famously terrible rookie year (8/3/1 on 49.1 TS%) for an all-time great, as he adjusted to the culture shock of living in the US as well as playing for an abysmal Mavericks team coming out of some of the most hapless years in professional sports. He has repeatedly said how he wasn't surprised that Luka's hit the ground running on his rookie year, given the assortment of accolades Luka racked up during his escapades in Europe.

对于诺维茨基这样一位足以载入史册的球员而言，他的处子赛季是出了名地差（8 3 1，真实命中率49.1%），因为他当时要从来美国生活所面对的文化冲击中调整过来，而且他当时所效力的独行侠更是一团糟，球队正在从队史上最为倒霉的那段时期中走出阴影。诺维茨基已经多次表示过，他对于东契奇处子赛季就能迅速打出水准并不感到惊讶，毕竟后者在欧洲就已经斩获了各种荣誉。

That said, he appears to be conscious of the fact that while Luka's rookie year (20/7/5 on 56.8 TS%) deserves to be in the honorable mentions for All-Star, it's very much a popularity contest. Certainly, Luka's outsized following given his manic fandom overseas has contributed to his earning more votes than bonafide all-NBA players.

话虽如此，诺维茨基似乎也明白，尽管东契奇在处子赛季的表现（20 7 5，真实命中率56.8%）配得上进入全明星的荣誉候选人之列，但这大部分还是拜他的人气所赐。可以肯定的是，东契奇的票数之所以能领先他身后那些实打实的顶级球星，他在海外的那些狂热粉丝是贡献了很大力量的。

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[–]i-am-the-law-bitch 15 points 17 hours ago

No he doesn’t

不，他还配不上全明星。

[–]NBA urfaselol 699 points 16 hours ago

I don't think he'll get enough player and media votes to get it

我不觉得他能从球员和媒体手中得到足够的票数，从而进入全明星。

[–]Lakers jonsnowKITN 237 points 16 hours ago

That's why the players and media also vote as well. This sub needs to relax.

湖人球迷：所以球员和媒体也要投票啊。这个专区的某些人真得淡定点了。

[–]Suns isetmyfriendsonfire 20 points 11 hours ago

Same people that post the hourly ‘Luka All Star?’ probably complain about Zion and Trae coverage on espn

太阳球迷：每隔一个小时就发帖说‘卢卡全明星’的也是这些人吧？或许他们也会不爽ESPN对锡安和特雷-杨的报道。

[–]Clippers TheFurgusShow 154 points 14 hours ago

You never know with player votes, Booker was near the top of player voting last year and so far all I see other players do is praise Luka (such as LeBron mentioning him on players he'd like to play with)

快船球迷：球员投票也说不清啊，布克上赛季差点就成了球员投票中的票王，而且目前为止，我看到其他球员对卢卡的评价就只有赞赏（比如说詹姆斯就表示想跟他一起打球）。

[–]Mavericks shaheedmalik 78 points 12 hours ago

KD, AD, LD.

独行侠球迷：KD，AD，LD

[–][SAS] Manu Ginobili Shewshake 26 points 11 hours ago

Lebron has to get some kinda D to play with

吉诺比利球迷：勒布朗必须要和某个D合作啊。

[–]Paper BoyGleesh 31 points 11 hours ago

D wight Howard

D怀特-霍华德。

[–]Paper BoyGleesh 7 points 11 hours ago

Never had a big man that can smack balls like him or javale so that’s cool

他还从没和霍华德这种强力内线合作过啊，所以这个想法很酷。

[–]Mavericks Aikidi 1 point an hour ago

Rip Tristan

独行侠球迷：安息吧，特里斯坦-汤普森

[–]Warriors MacDerfus 64 points 13 hours ago

I think rose will get player votes

勇士球迷：我觉得罗斯会得到球员选票。

[–]Mavericks gigantism[S] 330 points 16 hours ago

Luka doesn't deserve to go let alone start, but he definitely deserves an honorable mention along with guys like Klay, Gallinari, Conley, Gasol, Gobert, Capela, Adams, Booker, Fox, Murray, etc.

But Luka's definitely a more justifiable vote than a guy like Rose, Wade, or Zaza.

独行侠球迷：卢卡还配不上，更别说首发了，不过他绝对配得上和克莱、加里纳尼、康利、加索尔、戈贝尔、卡佩拉、亚当斯、布克、福克斯、穆雷等人一起被当做全明星候选人。

不过比起罗斯、韦德和扎扎这些人，东契奇绝对更有理由得到选票。

[–]Knicks ianiandinosour 11 points 13 hours ago

If All Star selections are based on performance and popularity then I think Luka probably should make it over those guys. I know these things tend to be given out as previous season achievement awards, but if Luka is generating this much hype, then I think he deserves it. And let’s face it, seeing Luka in the All Star Game would be fuckin wild

尼克斯球迷：如果全明星阵容是基于个人表现和受欢迎的程度，那我觉得东契奇或许能胜出这些人入选。我知道大家容易参考过往赛季的成就和奖项，不过东契奇现在正掀起一股热潮啊，那我就觉得他应该入选。面对现实吧，在全明星赛场看到东契奇的演出肯定会特么的很炸。

[–]humachine 11 points 14 hours ago

I'm not entirely sure Klay should be there.

我都不能完全确定克莱应该入选。

[–][GSW] Stephen Curry GoldenStateWizards 3 points 4 hours ago

He shouldn't

勇士球迷：他不应该。

[–][MIA] Anfernee Hardaway ChaseH9499 288 points 15 hours ago

Look, if washed up, chucking 2016 Kobe made the ASG then there’s no reason Wade shouldn’t either

热火球迷：听着，要说球星实力大跌的话，2016年那个职业生涯暮年的科比都能入选全明星，凭啥韦德就不能。

[–]ImanShumpertplus 34 points 14 hours ago

Kobe was the face of the league at one point. Dwyane can’t even get his name spelled right. Kobe is in a different stratosphere

科比当时还是联盟的门面啊。韦德的名字甚至都不能被拼对。科比已经是另一个层面了。

[–][SAS] Manu Ginobili papa_sax 138 points 15 hours ago

It sets a precedent to start voting in washed up players just because past accomplishments. Personally I don't care for All Star votes, but I can see why some have issue with it

吉诺比利球迷：就因为科比过往的成就，他为暮年球员入选全明星开了先例。就个人而言，我不在乎全明星投票，不过我能理解为啥有些人对此不爽。

[–][DEN] Chris Andersen ObeseKenyan 76 points 13 hours ago

It's not going to be overrun by washed up players, every 2 or 3 years there will be 1 HoFer who gets in and plays 10 mins. I'm fine with it. They need to be on a farewell tour (but I guess that's getting more and more common)

掘金球迷：全明星不会有大批过气球星入选的，每隔两三年，会有一个未来的名人堂成员入选，然后打上10分钟。我觉得还行。他们得有个告别演出嘛（不过我觉得这种现象越来越普遍了）。

[–]Celtics ken_riffy 33 points 14 hours ago

I think it'll be fun to have him in the game & he definitely has a career that deserves to be honored. I just wish he wasn't taking someone else's spot.

凯尔特人球迷：我觉得韦德入选全明星会很有意思的，而且就凭他的生涯成就，他是配得上这份荣耀的。只是我希望他不会抢了其他人的风头。

[–]Celtics ken_riffy 39 points 14 hours ago

Definitely. I'd love to have him & Dirk trading fadeaways in the All Star game as long as two deserving players wouldn't get snubbed.

凯尔特人球迷：肯定的。我想看到他和诺维茨基在全明星上切磋后仰跳投，只要那两个本该被关注的球员没有被大家冷落就行。

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[–]Raptors FindingUsernamesSuck 204 points 14 hours ago

Am I the only one who thought Luka was a guard?

猛龙球迷：只有我一个人以为卢卡是后卫吗？

[–]Mavericks PourGnawgraphy 116 points 14 hours ago

He started the year playing the 3 spot, but he's definitely gravitated to being a guard as the season has gone on. Thankfully.

独行侠球迷：他赛季初打得是3号位，不过他随着赛季的深入，他绝对是打成了后卫。谢天谢地。

[–]Mavericks amazin_raisin99 14 points 13 hours ago

He was actually playing and guarding the 4 with HB at the 3, still does sometimes

独行侠球迷：实际上他有时候打得是4号位，巴恩斯在3号位。

[–]Mavericks shaheedmalik 42 points 12 hours ago

Luka is the starting PF.

独行侠球迷：东契奇是我们的首发大前。

[–]Mavericks PourGnawgraphy 64 points 12 hours ago

Much like Ben Simmons is for Philly. Similar roles.

独行侠球迷：很像费城的本-西蒙斯。角色类似吧

[–][DAL] Dennis Rodman Indiana_BROnes_ 196 points 15 hours ago

ITT: r/NBA loves Luka, but hates Luka fans

独行侠球迷：这个专区的人很爱东契奇，不过讨厌东契奇的粉丝。

[–]Mavericks stoogemuffin 118 points 14 hours ago

We hate ourselves.

独行侠球迷：我们这是讨厌自己。

[–]Suns hoops_n_politics 30 points 12 hours ago

Serious question here:

What percentage of Luka fans are actually Mavs fans? My thought is a substantial percentage of Luka’s most vocal fans on this sub are not even Mavs fans.

Not sure if that even matters, it’s just something I’m curious about.

太阳球迷：有个很正经的问题：

东契奇球迷中有多少是真正的独行侠球迷呢？我觉得这个专区里那些声称卢卡球迷的人里，大部分都不是独行侠球迷。

不知道这个问题是否重要，只是我感兴趣。

[–]Celtics redrumsoxLoL 33 points 12 hours ago

Anecdotally, one right here. I do live in Texas (Houston, but still Texas). I don't particularly like the Mavericks, but I love Luka because he is just one of the most fun players to watch and root for at the moment.

凯尔特人球迷：我就是啊。虽说我住在德克萨斯（休斯顿，可还是在德克萨斯啊）我真不喜欢独行侠，不过我喜欢卢卡。因为他是眼下最具观赏性和最值得支持的球员之一。

[–]Hawks ATLjoe93 29 points 13 hours ago

It only gets ridiculous when some fans put down other players to raise the kid up. It's really off-putting.

I saw a thread the other day where Sixers fans were downvoted for suggesting that they'd prefer to keep Simmons if hypothetically they could have Luka. That is absurd.

老鹰球迷：有些球迷为了捧他而贬低其他球员，这真的离谱了。真的蛮反感。

前天我看到了一个帖子，76人球迷说哪怕有理论上的可能得到东契奇，他们还是更愿意留住西蒙斯，就因为这，他们被狂踩。这太荒唐了。

[–]Mlerma21 9 points 12 hours ago

This isn't new or exclusive to Doncic though. Mitchell and Simmons last year was the exact same. There are shitty fans and there are good fans. Real Mavs fans mom

这也不是啥新鲜事，也不止在东契奇一个人身上有。上赛季的米切尔和西蒙斯也是这种情况。

[–]srabon98akter 42 points 16 hours ago

I love watching Luka play but he has 0 business being up there with the likes of Bron and KD.

我喜欢看东契奇打球，不过他还没资格和勒布朗、杜兰特这些人一起进入全明星。

[–]twasjc 71 points 15 hours ago

Ya he should be way ahead of them

是啊，他应该远远超出他们的。

[–]Riptansky 17 points 13 hours ago

To be fair, Luka's game is fair more enjoyable to watch than KD's, imo, don't get me wrong, KD is obviously a better player, but i used the word "enjoyable".

公平地说，我觉得卢卡的比赛远比杜兰特的好看吧，别误解我，很显然杜兰特更强，不过我用了“观赏性”这个词。

[–]TraeYoungROTY 13 points 9 hours ago*

Kevin Durant is an all time top 5-10 scorer. You're entitled to your opinion, but I really don't see how you can think this.

杜兰特可是史上前5-前10的得分手啊。你有权发表自己的观点，不过我真的不知道你怎么能这么想。

[–]Riptansky 5 points 8 hours ago

Enjoyable.

观赏性啊。

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[–]jaysphan128 204 points 16 hours ago

weird that people are freaking out about doncic and not rose lol

大家对东契奇的全明星得票排名这么抓狂，却对罗斯的得票没啥反应，奇怪啊哈哈哈

[–]Lakers TheLeBrontoRaptors 78 points 15 hours ago

Because one is a rookie and the other a former MVP with a “tragic narrative” and a huge stanbase

湖人球迷：因为东契奇只是个菜鸟，而另一个是命途多舛的昔日MVP，而且还有很庞大的粉丝群体。

[–]Trail Blazers matrixreloaded 35 points 14 hours ago

why is it weird? everyone expects Rose to be up there seeing as he’s a former MVP, international superstar and currently sparking quite a comeback year.

nobody expected Doncic to be up there, also he’s a rookie, it’s amazing he’s gotten more votes than the likes of KD, Davis, Harden...

开拓者球迷：怎么就奇怪了啊？大家都期待着在全明星上看到罗斯，毕竟身为国际级球星的他是昔日的MVP，而且这个赛季状态复苏显著。

没人期待东契奇入选全明星，正因为他只是个菜鸟，他能够得到比杜兰特、戴维斯和哈登这些人还多的选票已经很了不起了。

[–]West Kurosawasuperfan 46 points 13 hours ago

And still, Doncic is putting similar numbers but with more impact (clutch moments, gravity, assists) in a team with better record, in which he's the best player.

I'm not shitting on Derrick Rose, but it's not like he's a clear all-star and Doncic is not even close.

还是那回事，东契奇的数据和罗斯差不多，不过球队的战绩更好，他在队内的影响力更大（关键时刻、助攻），是队内最佳球员。

我并非在说罗斯的不是，不过他也不是板上钉钉的全明星啊，东契奇也还差的远。

[–]Celtics enderlord2 7 points 15 hours ago

Which ones playing better?

凯尔特人球迷：谁的数据更好？

[–]West tr45hbin 21 points 13 hours ago

Rose: 18.9/2.8/4.8 PIE: 12.9 Doncic: 19.5/6.6/5.0 PIE: 13.4

罗斯：18.9 2.8 4.8，东契奇：19.5 6.6 5

[–]-Zaytoven- 10 points 13 hours ago

Neither deserve to make it obviously, Luka has more of a case than D rose though.

But, Lukas votes are from hype

D rose’s votes are from respect to a legend reinventing his career

他俩谁都不该进全明星，不过卢卡的表现更好啊。

但是呢，卢卡的选票都是眼下的热度。

而罗斯的选票则是来自大家的情怀。

[–]Suns TheLeBrontoRaptorss 19 points 13 hours ago

Neither SHOULD be in, but likely rose will make it and doncic won’t, or neither make it, no scenario where both are in

太阳球迷：两个人都不该入选，不过很可能最终罗斯入选，东契奇没有，或者两人都没入选，肯定不可能两个人都入选。

[–]Lakers LukeSkyreader811 23 points 12 hours ago

Guards in the west are way too stacked for Rose to make it I feel like.

Curry, Westbrook, Lillard, Harden, Booker, Holiday, McCollum and even Conley are all above him I feel like.

湖人球迷：西部的后卫太多了啊，我觉得罗斯很难入选。

我觉得库里、威少、利拉德、哈登、布克、霍乐迪、麦科勒姆这些人，甚至连康利都在他之前。

[–]Suns TheLeBrontoRaptorss 8 points 12 hours ago

I agree, but with how high his fan vote is, plus I’m sure he’ll get some vote from players and coaches, who knows, not saying it’s likely, but possible

太阳球迷：我同意。不过他的球迷票数很高啊，而且我确信他还能从球员和教练手中得到选票，谁知道呢，不能说他不可能，还是有可能的。

[–]Lakers so-cal_kid 161 points 16 hours ago

Rose is like China's foreign son so it makes sense

湖人球迷：罗斯就像是中国人的外国儿子，所以你说的有道理。

[–]Raptors The_Natural_Log 25 points 10 hours ago

Rose is the Lebron of China

猛龙球迷：罗斯在中国的热度就像是勒布朗。

[–][LAL] Brandon Ingram NotAWallabie 4 points 9 hours ago

Rose is the new McGrady of China

湖人球迷：罗斯在中国就是新麦迪。

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[–][SAS] Boris Diaw YOU_PM_ME_THIGHS 37 points 16 hours ago*

He's not that far outside the top 30 players. I'd probably put him somewhere in that 35-50 range and he seems quite popular. Probably doesn't quite deserve AS status yet but he's not far off

Edit:

He's 34th in points per game, 30th in assts per game, 42nd in BPM, 33rd in VORP, 63rd in PER and rebounds well for a point forward. I'd say those stats back him up being somewhere in the 35-50 range.

马刺球迷：东契奇在前30开外不远。我或许会把他排在35到50的位置，而且他貌似很受欢迎啊。或许他还不是很配得上全明星，不过他也不远啊。

编辑：他的场均得分排在联盟第34，场均助攻第30，BPM排第42，VORP值（球员对球队的重要性）第33，PER值第63，而且他作为组织型前锋篮板也很出色。所以我才觉得他在35到50位之间。

[–][LAL] Kobe Bryant mobious_trip 34 points 14 hours ago

dude is an all star maybe not all nba at this point.

the most hyped highlights from the season I’ve seen so far are from Luka hands down

科比球迷：这哥们儿或许是个全明星，但现在还不是顶级。

这个赛季我看过的最燃的集锦就是东契奇的，大写的服气。

[–][OKC] Russell Westbrook jumpman0035 93 points 14 hours ago

it's all star game. Isn't the whole point of the weekend for the fans?

All-star appearances shouldnt count for your legacy, and should be 100% fan vote.

I know Vince Carter is not an all-star anymore, but ill vote for him every year because i wanna see him play.

If so many people wanna see Luka in the allstar game, then let him be in it lol

Now if it was for all NBA or MVP or whatever, then yes of course those are the ones that are stat and record based, but allstar SHOULD be fan votes imo.

雷霆球迷：这可是全明星比赛。难道这个周末的全部意义不就是为了球迷吗？

全明星人选不应该依赖你的成就，而是完全的球迷投票。

我知道卡特不再是全明星了，不过我每年都会给他投票，因为我想看他打。

如果真有那么多人想在全明星上看到东契奇，那就让他进呗，哈哈哈

如果咱们说的是赛季最佳阵容或者是MVP之类的奖项，那当然是依据数据和战绩来定的，没毛病，不过我觉得全明星应该由粉丝投票决定。

[–][POR] Damian Lillards omethingnotyettaken 22 points 11 hours ago

I learned this lesson with Kobe, Blake Griffin and LaMarcus Aldridge. Almost all of us were outraged that Kobe got on the All-Star team multiple years when his game had drastically declined to sub All-Star levels. I also felt that LMA should be in above Blake Griffin, and felt like him being a flashy dunker got him more attention, but that LMA was the better player.

Finally LMA made the All-Star game...and my god was it disappointing. Like, what did I expect this guy to do during the All-Star game? While Blake Griffin might have been a fraction less talented than LMA (which is debatable), Blake was exponentially more fun to watch in the All-Star game. And just seeing Kobe interact with all of the players was more fun than LMA being on the team.

开拓者球迷：我当初从科比、格里芬和阿尔德里奇身上明白了不少。科比那些年能力大幅下滑到全明星水准之下时，几乎咱们所有人都因为他还能连续几年入选全明星而愤怒。我还觉得当年阿德应该在格里芬之前入选呢，我知道格里芬扣将的身份让他得到了更多的关注，但是阿德当时更强啊。

最终阿德进入全明星了……然后呢，我的天呐，太让人失望了。比如说，我期望这哥们儿在全明星上做什么呢？虽说格里芬的天赋略输阿德（有争议的），不过格里芬在全明星上的表现要好看多了啊。而且光是看着科比在场上与那些球员互动就比阿德在队里有意思多了。

[–][OKC] Russell Westbrook jumpman0035 15 points 11 hours ago

Yeah like i love westbrook and he might not be a top 5 or sometimes top 10 nba player depending on who you ask. But he is a top 1 or 2 player during allstar night. Thats what i wanna see.

雷霆球迷：没错，就比如说我喜欢威少，他或许不是前五甚至前10 球员（看你问谁了）。不过他在全明星上就是前1前2的。这就是我想看的。

[–][POR] Damian Lillards omethingnotyettaken 7 points 10 hours ago

I hate Westbrook but otherwise completely agree.

开拓者球迷：我讨厌威少，不过我完全赞同你的观点。

[–]East technosucks 9 points 12 hours ago

I 100% agree with your point but sadly, All-Star games are counted for one's legacy.

完全赞同，不过可悲的是，全明星人选要看球员的过往成就。

[–]Mavericks ForcadoUALG 11 points 16 hours ago

100% agree that he shouldn't be a starter, and hardly a reserve. But definitely deserves a shout. He has plenty of time to be in the ASG.

独行侠球迷：我也完全赞同东契奇不该成为全明星首发，哪怕是替补也很难。不过绝对配得上进入候选。他还有得是时间冲击全明星。

[–]Thunder eldingobebe 13 points 13 hours ago

Imagine caring about the all-star game.