纳什坦言自己该多投无私后卫无结果
[MacMahon] Nash: "I never took it to the heights that the numbers validate in today's day and age, where I probably should have shot the ball 20 times a game. It probably would have made a lot more sense."
纳什：我从来没能达到过现代篮球的中的那种高度，也没有拿到过惊世骇俗的数据，可能我每场比赛应该投篮投个20次左右，这可能对于球队会更有意义一些。
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[–][WAS] John Wallzeek215 226 指標 10小時前
Nash was too selfless as a player. He loved setting up his teammates so much but his shot was always amazing. If he had a bit more selfishness in him he definitely would have taken more shots I think, but every player has their unique personality.
奇才球迷：作为一名球员，纳什真的是太无私了，他总是为自己的队友铺垫好一切，但是他的投篮技术实际上也是不可思议的，如果他有一点点自私他肯定会投更多的球的，但是每个球员都有他最独特的品质啊。
[–]Bullswylin247 64 指標 9小時前
Same thing as cp3 imo.
公牛球迷：实际上保罗也是如此。
[–][NBA] Kobe BryantJMEEKER86 189 指標 7小時前
To an extant, but CP3 also has that "fuck, my teammates are being extra stupid tonight, I'm going to have to try to take over this game" mode that he goes in sometimes.
确实如此，但是保罗也同样会有“妈的，我的队友今晚太犯蠢了，我不得不站出来接管比赛”的模式，所以他有的时候还是会有杀神独狼模式的。
[–][MIA] Joe JohnsonGot_Too_Much_Dayum 49 指標 7小時前
Prime Example: Game 5 against the Jazz
热火球迷：最近的例子：西部半决赛对阵爵士的第五场球。
[–]DingusMcCringus 2 指標 41 分鐘前
that game was nutty. couldnt miss in the last 5 minutes
那场比赛太疯狂了，他最后五分钟一球都没投丢过。
[–]Bullswylin247 42 指標 7小時前
He doesn't do that often though, that's the problem. Even when he was with the Clippers, he should have been the number 1 option in the 4th quarters and shoot most of the shots cause he is money from mid range but clips always tried making Griffin the number 1 option.
公牛球迷：保罗的问题是在于他不咋开启独狼模式，实际上在快船的时候，他在第四节就应该成为球队的第一选择、应该享有无限的出手权，毕竟保罗中距离出手简直和扣篮一样，但是快船总是让格里芬当球队的第一选择。
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[–]Lakersalex94xela 49 指標 7小時前
Thats why this Harden Cp3 thing is going so well i think.
湖人球迷：这就是哈登、保罗如此相配的原因吧。
[–]Bullswylin247 39 指標 7小時前
Harden is a legit first option though, cp3 should have been the number 1 guy on the Clippers.
公牛球迷：哈登毫无疑问是最强的第一选择，但是保罗在快船就应该是第一选择的。
[–]Lakersboisic 2 指標 1小時前
CP3 Harden works so well because they're both elite on ball (playmaking, ISO) and off ball (shooting). It's an insane combination. They can pretty much take turns being no 1 option in this system
湖人球迷：哈登和保罗如此相配的原因是因为他们在球这方面真的很不错（控球、单打）上都很棒，这是一种很强大的联合，他们在火箭这个体系里可以轮流充当第一选择。
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[–]Michonne844 12 指標 7小時前
Nash took over a lot too. Especially in the playoffs. Phoenix just did better when he would score like 20 and have around 15 assists. That was usually a guaranteed victory for them.
实际上纳什接管过不少比赛，尤其是在季后赛里，当纳什得到20分左右而且有15个助攻的时候太阳实际上打得更好，这对于他们来说就像胜利保障一样。
[–]Miceland 10 指標 3小時前
This is true, but there's a lot of self selection to these stats
Nash's preference was to get 15 assists, so if he did that, that means the gameplan was working. I'm sure Nash's team's have a somewhat disappointing record when he goes for 30, but that's because he only goes for 30 when no one else can make a shot
it's like russ's triple double stat. Of course OKC has a good record when Russ gets a triple double--hes out there hunting triple doubles. If he doesnt get a triple double, that means something has already gone wrong
确实如此，但是这些数据里有很多是没办法而为之的选择。
如果纳什能拿到15次以上的助攻，这就意味着太阳的比赛计划正常运转了，我很确定当纳什得到30分以上的时候他的球队一定会有很多令人沮丧的比赛结果，但是这是因为其他人不能创造投篮机会，所以他才有机会拿到30分以上的。
这就像威斯布鲁克的场均三双数据，很明显当威少自然得到三双要比他可以得不到三双时更容易赢球，如果他没得到三双，这就意味着雷霆的比赛计划出了一些问题。
[–]Cavaliersitssensei 12 指標 6小時前
No offense but that just sounds like you didn’t watch Nash play enough. He took over games from time to time with his scoring. He would score enough to regain momentum for the team and start passing again.
He would break up double teams, switch the big man on himself and slash in, shoot that random pull up 3 while licking his finger.
骑士球迷：无意冒犯，但是你这话听起来像是没怎么看过纳什打球，他也能通过得分一次又一次去接管比赛，他可以通过得到足够的分数将球队重新拉回正规，然后重新开始传球。
他可以破夹击，通过挡拆面对对面的大个子然后轻巧晃开，也可以顺着防守队员的手命中不可思议的后撤步三分。
[–][NBA] Kobe BryantJMEEKER86 8 指標 6小時前
That's not really what I'm talking about. When Nash would do it it was the methodical style within the system that made you look at the box score afterwards and say "whoa, when did he end up with 40 points" instead of the hero ball "fuck the system because it's not working, I'm doing it myself" style, so it was still a selfless team first approach while CP3 is the passive aggressive "can't win with these cats" approach.
这实际上并不是我们讨论的东西，当纳什接管比赛的时候你依然会觉得非常有秩序与条理，这会让你在比赛之后看数据统计不经感叹“哇哦，纳什竟然最后得了四十分”而不是总是看到那种英雄球“该死的系统并不奏效，我还是自己来”的感觉，所以他依然是无私的团队风格。
而保罗遇到这种情况时则会充满着消极的侵略性，会给你一种“我和这群阿猫阿狗打球可赢不了”的感觉。
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[–]shanmustafa 84 指標 10小時前
one of the most efficient players ever and it ended up being to a fault
I've always had the same problem with him and CP
If they had shot 2-4% less FG, but were taking more shots I wouldn't have had any problems with it
The time nash was actually more aggressive he was insane, 24/5/11 for the 04-05 playoffs , him being more aggressive looking for his shot actually opened up a lot more for him because the defense had to account for him even more, and because he’s a natural passer he was still able to get his assists
纳什毫无疑问是历史上最具效率的球员，但是最终却以失败结局。
对于他和CP3，我总是抱有相同的疑问。
如果他们命中率降低个百分之二到四，然后投更多的球，我对此不会有任何疑问。
当时的纳什如果开启侵略模式就是无敌的，在04-05赛季的季后赛里场均24 5 11，他的侵略性让他的投篮看起来每一个都是空位因为防守者不得不提防他的传球，但是因为他是一个天然的传球手，他总能找到机会传出助攻。
[–]SupersonicsScizzurp 39 指標 10小時前
Nash and CP3 especially CP3 played it too much on the safe side. CP3 is a more natural scorer and he had handles to break down the defense and could get to more spots on the floor and often times CP3 would let a bum like Crawford take shots, he should be taking.
超音速球迷：纳什和保罗，尤其是保罗打得太谨慎了，CP3实际上是一个天然的得分手，他可以运球突破对手防守，可以在球场上得到更多空位投篮机会，有的时候CP3实际上已经耍花活像克劳福德一样了，他也可以像克劳福德拔起来跳投的，他也应该投这些球的。
[–]Lakersso-cal_kid 29 指標 10小時前
CP3 also had much more quickness/explosiveness in his younger years.
湖人球迷：年轻的时候，保罗更快、速度更爆炸哦。
[–][LAL] Brandon IngramStarved-Nutritionist 6 指標 4小時前
It's still debatable if CP3 was the real MVP in 2008 over Kobe. CP3 was putting up insane numbers at the age of 22 for a pass-first PG. 21.1 ppg and 11.6 apg with 2.1 spg on .488% FG/.369% 3pt/.851% FT.
Dude even had three 40 pt games, and the New Orleans Hornets won all 3 of those games. He had two 20 assist games, too, which the Hornets also won.
I can't help but wonder if he could've averaged 25 ppg if he hadn't been so selfless. If he had been focused on averaging as many points per game as possible, CP3 would've been that guy with multiple 30 pt/15 assist games in his younger days.
Anyway, I'm obviously not discounting Kobe in 2008. I just think the winner of the 2008 MVP title is definitely more debatable than most of us Lakers fans would like to admit, especially when you consider the Hornets won 56 games in 2007-08 after an abysmal 39 win season in 2006-07.
湖人球迷：在2008年的MVP评比上实际上一直存在争议：那就是保罗和科比究竟谁更强。保罗当年在以传球第一的情况下依然拿到了不可思议的数据，当年他不过22岁，场均21.1分、11.6次助攻并且有2.1次抢断，投篮命中率为48.8%，三分球命中率为36.9%，罚球命中率高达85.1%。
这家伙那个赛季拿过三次40分以上，新奥尔良黄蜂拿下了其中的3场，他还有两场20次以上助攻的比赛，黄蜂也都赢了。
我一直会情不自禁地想如果他不那么自私的话，他是不是场均能拿25分，如果他专注于场均得分的话，他可能在年轻的时候能多次拿到30分以上且15 助攻的数据。
不管怎么说，我并不是质疑2008年科比MVP的含金量，但是我只是觉得2008年的MVP要比很多湖人粉丝想象的要有争议得多，尤其是黄蜂2007-08赛季赢了56场比赛，而上一个赛季他们不过39胜。
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[–]Rocketsplaytio 170 指標 11小時前
I know there have been many fantastic PGs but he's my favorite by a long shot. I wouldn't change the way he played.
火箭球迷：尽管如今有那么多梦幻且强大的控球后卫，但是我爱的一直是纳什，我一点都不想改变他打球的方式。
[–]kilmerindigo 155 指標 10小時前
Back then if a player took a 3 and missed, the commentators would say ‘oh they’ve got to find a better shot than that’. Then your uncle would hear that shit, so he’s saying it every damn time someone bricks a 3. Then you start thinking it when you watch games and some idiot shoots a 3 instead of feeding it into the post. Then 15 years later some asshole starts draining 30 footers at a high clip and you’ve got to change your entire goddam mentality.
过去那些优秀的后卫投了三分又投丢了，那些批评家们会一直说“他们需要找一个比这个更好的出手方式。”然后你的教练什么的会听到这些消息，然后每次投打铁三分的时候他就会喋喋不休，然后你就开始想投这些三分是不是过于愚蠢，与其打铁不如老老实实把球喂给禁区。然后十五年过去了，投超远三分又开始流行起来，结果你告诉我我又要开始改变自己整个的想法。
[–][SAS] Derrick WhitePartickNotPatrick 119 指標 9小時前
flashbacks to NBA Live 08 and Steve Kerr endlessly criticizing my transition pull-up 3s
马刺球迷：回到NBA Live 08里面，我每次在转换进攻后仰三分的时候史蒂夫-科尔都会不停地批评我。
[–]76ersone_throwaway_a_day 82 指標 9小時前
Well well well... How the turntables
76人球迷：好吧好吧……失误数据栏上又添一笔。
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[–][DAL] DeShawn Stevensonjonnyjonessunkenship 52 指標 10小時前
Suns could have reached their higher limits if it wasn’t for a hip check and tim Donaghy
独行侠球迷：如果没有那次霍利恶意冲撞，太阳或许能达到更高的目标。
[–]killbill469 28 指標 11小時前*
Mike D'antoni & Nellie (two of the greatest and innovative offensive minds in basketball history, who also coached Nash): "He could have been a 25 ppg scorer if he put his mind to it "
r/nba: "No man, scoring that many points is just too hard for a skinny nonathletic kid like Nash"
迈克-德安东尼以及Nellie（NBA历史上拥有最好且最强进攻意识的两人之一，他也是纳什的教练）：“纳什如果愿意将精力放在得分上，他可以成为一个场均25分以上的得分手。”
[–]LeBrontosaurusRex 40 指標 11小時前
He already is one of the GOATs, especially at his position.
纳什早已是史上最佳之一了，尤其是在控卫这个位置。
[–]Clippersflushyriver 2 指標 3小時前
Fun fact, when Nash was 29 after 9 seasons he had 4,180 assists and 767 3s in 625 games. Curry after 9 seasons, at the age of 29 has 4,227 career assists and 2,129 3s in 625 games. That's almost 500 more 3s than Nash had his whole career.
Yet if Curry plays 9 more seasons for some reason, he would need to average about 700 assists a season (approximately 8.5 apg) to catch Nash before he retires. Really speaks to the longevity of Nash's career.
快船球迷：有一个有趣的小事实，当纳什满29岁的时候，他有4180个助攻，并且在625场比赛中命中了767个三分球，库里在九个赛季以后也是29岁，他职业生涯已经有了4227个助攻并且在625场比赛中命中率2129个三分，这已经比纳什整个职业生涯的三分球命中数还要多500个了。
然而如果库里在多打九个赛季，他需要单赛季拿下大约700个助攻（大约是场均8.5次助攻）才能追上纳什退役前的总助攻数，不得不说纳什的职业生涯也是很长啊。
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